| We are told over and over again that Jesus forgives any sin except
one, the denial of the Holy Spirit.
The notion that any sin (including mass murder, sexually mutilating pre-pubescent children, serving up your mother-in-law as hors d'oeuvres at a garden party, eating small children as snacks, microwaving teenagers, fornicating with sheep, goats, etc...) can be forgiven indicates a complete lack of morality.
"If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would.
All religious holy scriptures are peddled as books on morality. Here's a definition of morality.
Earlier, there were the Crusades that killed an estimated one and a half million people across Europe, the near east, and the middle east over the course of 200 years, again for their thought crimes. Then there is the Christian concept of Hell which is sort of an Auschwitz but you get tortured until the end of time. The sweet release of death is not possible. Remember, this comes from their loving Jesus God. Members of the clergy now want to point to the Holy Bible as a true source of morality. I can find more morality in Hitler's Mein Kempt Never trust a person who can clear their conscience of any moral act by asking for forgiveness from their imaginary friend. A lot of terrible-immoral- things are done in the name of religion: Segregation, lynchings, homophobia, controlling women, false imprisonment, grooming and sexualizing children, most wars, the witch burnings, way too much murder, rape, incest, child marriages, etc How dare these moronic little idiots in the clergy talk to us about morality? True morality is doing what is right without the threat of divine retribution nor the possibility of divine reward. Only atheists are the only ones with true morality. We are doing good because it's good and are doing right because it's right, and not for reward or punishment. We have love for each other, we have community, we have charity. We are trapped on The Pale Blue Dot
Christians claim their morality is eternal and unchanging. Yet at one point, Christians believed slavery, marital rape, forced conversion and criminalization of homosexuality were moral. This shows that people decide what is moral, then project their moral values onto god. This has to be among the funniest, and among the most delusional, things Christians always say. They insist god's morality is eternal and unchanging. But that's not really true, is it? There are many things that Christians once thought were morally acceptable, but have since abandoned because modern society disapproves of these behaviors. Slavery was one of them. Marital rape another. So was child abuse. The immutability of Christian so-called objective morality is so easily refuted that there's something else going on here and that is good old-fashioned Christian cognitive dissonance, especially prevalent among the more dimwitted Christians. Doctrine does not determine moral behavior, but rather the process is man determines what doctrine is, assumes god is its source and then coerces others, often through threats and force, to live in accordance with its precepts. Today, it is modern society that dictates what is right and wrong to Christians, not their god. Christians adjust their religious doctrines accordingly so as not to run afoul of the secular authorities. Apparently, the secular law is significantly more humane than Christian morality ever was, otherwise Christians wouldn't have to constantly change their own morality in order to keep up with the times. |
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Samantha_Cruz commented on There is no morality without the Bible
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The Code of Rr-Nammu specifies moral standards and was written down at least 1000 years before the oldest books of the bible so we can pretty safely conclude that morality did not originate from the Abrahamic god. (We also have moral codes in the Code or Urukagina and the Code of Hammurabi that also predate the abrahamic religion by over 1000 years; Morality clearly didn't begin with jewish goat herders.) The ten commandments is blatantly plagiarized from the 42 negative confessions from the Egyptian book of the dead. The 'golden rule' was rather obviously around at least 3 centuries before "jesus" plagiarized it (it's seen in Confucianism, Jainism and Hindu documents dating to at least the 3rd century BCE) If an all powerful, all knowing, benevolent 'god' created morality why is he depicted as such an immoral piece of #% in the only written record of his existence? If he's omniscient why was his morality not optimized from the very beginning? - Why did he fail to prohibit slavery, rape or catholic priests molesting children while pretending to represent this supposedly moral 'god'? Why does he demand animal sacrifices in the very next chapter (exodus 34) after handing moses those stone tablets? Why does he specifically give permission to beat your slaves (as long as they don't die within a few days). why does he murder 42 boys for 'making fun of a bald man' and turn terrified women into salt piles for 'looking backwards' as the city explodes behind her? how could a source for morality have jobs entire family murdered over a ridiculous juvenile bet that's beneath the dignity of most 5th graders? If a parent leaves a toddler in a room with a jar of delicious looking cookies and tells that toddler not to eat the delicious looking cookies and later finds that while they were out the toddler ate one of the delicious looking cookies that only tells me one thing... the parents are morons; It doesn't make the toddler and all of his descendants for the rest of eternity "evil" or require them to be cursed with "original sin" until "his son" (that is also himself) gives up a three day weekend pretending to be dead so "god" (the supposedly omniscient being) can suddenly transform his entire personality from the old testament vengeful, angry, wrathful god into a supposedly 'loving, benevolent, merciful god' that has suddenly learned that it's possible to forgive people. Before eating from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" how would this "eve" character; that lacked the knowledge of good and evil know that disobeying 'god' was 'evil'? Without the knowledge of good and evil she is no more capable of recognizing right from wrong than the toddler that ate those cookies. Also: if an omniscient "god" created that ridiculous chain of events that led to this then that "god" is the only one that deserves to be blamed for how it turned out.
If I only had ten commandments to work with I could have come up with a
much better list; I'd start by throwing out the 4 totally unnecessary
narcissistic/egotistical/tyrannical demands that you kiss my a$$ and
perhaps add rules that actually help humanity... like "no more slavery",
"don't rape people", "don't allow the church to hide pedophiles while
pretending to represent me" and maybe when I say "don't kill people"
I might also not list over 100 different instances where I demand that
you kill people for inane and unimportant things like picking up sticks
on the wrong day of the week or having consensual sex with someone with
matching genitalia. This 'all knowing' 'all seeing' and totally
'benevolent' supreme being doesn't seem to be all that bright and he
certainly isn't the source for morality.
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We don't let our kids play in traffic
We don't let our kids play in traffic. We watch over them and make decisions for them about what is right or wrong, safe or unsafe. We limit our children's free will because we know more about the dangers of the world and the consequences of decisions. Those with knowledge and power over the weak and ignorant have a duty to save them from fatal decisions. Especially if the decision maker is ignorant of the dire consequences of the wrong decision. Free will is an illusion, and a tool of theists to hand wave away the problem of evil. If a divine being loved you, it wouldn't create hell, or give you the chance to go there. Just like I don't let my kids play in traffic. |
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